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Yes, I live on the liberal East Coast. Yes, most people here support gay marriage, abortion, unions....and yes, I know many/most of the fans here come from the heartlands of the USA, as well as overseas and abroad...so I know the mention of the new Michael Moore film will stir reaction before I type a review.However,I consider myself a moderate-conservative. Economically speaking, I share more Republican views than Democrat. Gun control? Democrat all the way (ooo I made someone mad with that) Hence why I am a registered Independant. So, I feel, independantly, I can give a review of this movie.Of course it has a liberal agenda, and a liberal bias. Yes, there are times he is manipulating the audience by exploiting the grief of 9/11 victims. It was interesting to notice the transformation of a mother who was VERY pro-military UNTIL her own son sacrificed his life in IRAQ. Still you understand her anger, and her frustration...her loss...and for what?The question Michael Moore raises cannot be ignored. Why are we in IRAQ? Why wasn't this same mass of assault waged on the people responsible for 9-11. Why were multiple Saudi's and Bin Ladens allowed to leave the US on 9/13/01 without being detained or questioned, and while ALL flights were "grounded". It also is alarming the ties of the Bin Ladens, the Saudis, Haliburton, and the Bush administration both past and present, and the fact that no Iraqi had ever attacked or killed and Amercian before 4/2003...yet we felt we had to "stop" them from attacking us with weapons we have been unable to produce.hmmmmmmmmmmmmmMicheal Moore has never been sued for slander or liable in any movie he has ever made. It is unlikely he will be for this one either. If nothing else, the movie should be seen, as to believe someone blindly is irresponsible. This movie, if nothing else, will cause you to re-evaluate who you are voting for and why. Maybe you will find the answers to the question Michael Moore is raising, and can make a counter-documentary of your own.I know I have been busy reading up on counter-points to this movie...but it has stayed with me regardless.
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I don't know if I want to see it after reading that....We are in Iraq because they are known to harbor terroist...How do you know no Iraqi has ever killed an American???? We are taking the fight to them, to disrupt there money networks, intelligence networks....which stem from that area...Just because we have not seen WMD over the TV news, does not mean that there is none.

I am sure that lady was pro military until she lost her son...I could very well see her point.....But he did join and there is always a good chance of deployment....

I believe in our cause, God bless our troops, their families, and our President!!! I hope all of our troops come back safe and sound...soon.

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Who's Michael Moore?
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yet we felt we had to "stop" them from attacking us with weapons we have been unable to produce.


Actually, troops did find sarin gas and mustard gas.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120137,00.html

http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,FL_sarin_052604,00.html

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I don't know if I want to see it after reading that....We are in Iraq because they are known to harbor terroist...How do you know no Iraqi has ever killed an American???? We are taking the fight to them, to disrupt there money networks, intelligence networks....which stem from that area...Just because we have not seen WMD over the TV news, does not mean that there is none.I am sure that lady was pro military until she lost her son...I could very well see her point.....But he did join and there is always a good chance of deployment....I believe in our cause, God bless our troops, their families, and our President!!! I hope all of our troops come back safe and sound...soon.

None, according to Michael Moore...no Americans (not in Gulf War I) not in the news via hostage etc...I don't think you can find a name...certainly not over the 1000 that have been killed since 4/2003.  Also, ALL countries posses some sort of defense weaponry...should we attack them all?  Or are we the only ones allowed to posses nuclear & chemical weapons?

As I said...these are not my views, merely a point of view.  Remember my "day job" is on an Army base...I work side by side with the men and women who design the software that goes in the guided missles you see on the news.  I interact with the military every day.  I need to fill out three forms to have the light bulb in my office changed...believe me!

I agree with you Sneaky...these men and women need to come home sooner than later. 

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Why are Americans so united? They would not resemble one another even if
you painted them all one color! They speak all the languages of the world
and form an astonishing mixture of civilizations and religious beliefs.
Still, the American tragedy turned three hundred million people into a
hand put on the heart.

Nobody rushed to accuse the White House, the army, and the secret
services that they are only a bunch of losers. Nobody rushed to empty
their bank accounts. Nobody rushed out onto the streets nearby to gape
about. The Americans volunteered to donate blood and to give a helping
hand.

> After the first moments of panic, they raised their flag over the smoking
> ruins, putting on T-shirts, caps and ties in the colors of the national
> flag.
>
> They placed flags on buildings and cars as if in every place and on every
> car a government official or the president was passing.
>
> On every occasion, they started singing their traditional song: "God
> Bless America!" I watched the live broadcast and rerun after rerun for
> hours listening to the story of the guy who went down one hundred floors
> with a woman in a wheelchair without knowing who she was, or of the
> Californian hockey player, who gave his life fighting with the terrorists
and prevented the plane from hitting a target that could have killed
other hundreds or thousands of people.

How on earth were they able to respond united as one human being?
Imperceptibly, with every word and musical note, the memory of some
turned into a modern myth of tragic heroes. And with every phone call,
millions and millions of dollars were put in a collection aimed at
rewarding not a man or a family, but a spirit, which no money can buy.

What on earth can unite the Americans in such a way? Their land? Their
galloping history? Their economic Power? Money? I tried for hours to find
an answer, humming songs and murmuring phrases with the risk of sounding
commonplace.

I thought things over, but I reached only one conclusion...Only freedom
can work such miracles.

There I go with my rose colored glasses again.

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Vitriole and hate is all that fat slob Moore espouses (especially when directed towards his country, his defenders, and his fellow citizens).  Well said, Ice- as usual.  Could someone please have Mr. Hussein dig up the entire Iraqi desert lands (100's of 1000's of square miles) so we can check everywhere for additional WMD's? Isn't the slaughter of his countrymen by the millions enough to justify stopping him?  Hello! They both have the same letter starting their last names---Hitler and Hussein. By the way, how much Sarin do we need to find and how many mobile lab remains must we stumble upon before we say he was a threat to the entire middle east; a member of which, known as Israel, we christians are called by God (as Israel is his "chosen people") to defend??? I guess us Vets are a little more sensitive to stuff like this.  Any way God Bless Our Troops, their aim, and our country. Now back to the ankles and toes!
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One theory about why we are in Iraq is because the Bush family makes millions each year from the royal Saudi family and the Bin-Laddens themselves.  $1.5 million through vested intrests in oil operations from the Saudi government each year vs. $250,000 the president gets.  So when he wakes up, who does he think about first?  15 of the hijackers on 911 were from Saudi Arabia.

There is so much more of this in the movie, it gets worse and worse for Bush. 

If Bush doesn't come out and deny some of the things stated in the movie, I (a registered republican) am voting for Kerry this fall.

Who is a real vet and didn't dodge his duty.

Crissy and I love vets and feel a great deal of respect and admiration for them.  In our day jobs, we work side by side with the military, active and inactive.  We have been praying for all of our troups in Iraq and Afganistan, and will continue to do so,

That being said, before anyone can slam this or any movie, they themselves would have to see the movie.  We can't have the discussion otherwise, it wouldn't make any sense.

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Vitriole and hate is all that fat slob Moore espouses (especially when directed towards his country, his defenders, and his fellow citizens). Well said, Ice- as usual. Could someone please have Mr. Hussein dig up the entire Iraqi desert lands (100's of 1000's of square miles) so we can check everywhere for additional WMD's? Isn't the slaughter of his countrymen by the millions enough to justify stopping him? Hello! They both have the same letter starting their last names---Hitler and Hussein. By the way, how much Sarin do we need to find and how many mobile lab remains must we stumble upon before we say he was a threat to the entire middle east; a member of which, known as Israel, we christians are called by God (as Israel is his "chosen people") to defend??? I guess us Vets are a little more sensitive to stuff like this. Any way God Bless Our Troop

So are we on our way to Korea next?  Or Africa...as many countries are being goverend by anarchy & choas?  Maybe Cuba...there is a dictator in control there as well, and it's certainly much closer to the US, and have a record of pointinf missiles at us. 

I am not saying Sadam was good, I am wondering why we singled out IRAQ first...why was that the priority?  F-9/11 interviews many service men and women in IRAQ presently, wondering the same thing.

Checks and balances...you need the liberals to account for what the conservatives are doing and vice versa, or we would have the very government we are fighting to rid the world of.

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Reply to : fumesterVitriole and hate is all that fat slob Moore espouses (especially when directed towards his country, his defenders, and his fellow citizens). Well said, Ice- as usual. Could someone please have Mr. Hussein dig up the entire Iraqi desert lands (100's of 1000's of square miles) so we can check everywhere for additional WMD's? Isn't the slaughter of his countrymen by the millions enough to justify stopping him? Hello! They both have the same letter starting their last names---Hitler and Hussein. By the way, how much Sarin do we need to find and how many mobile lab remains must we stumble upon before we say he was a threat to the entire middle east; a member of which, known as Israel, we christians are called by God (as Israel is his "chosen people") to defend??? I guess us Vets are a little more sensit

Awwwwww sh^t, take cover!!!!!!!! INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Reply to : sneakyPPdude2000I don't know if I want to see it after reading that....We are in Iraq because they are known to harbor terroist...How do you know no Iraqi has ever killed an American???? We are taking the fight to them, to disrupt there money networks, intelligence networks....which stem from that area...Just because we have not seen WMD over the TV news, does not mean that there is none.I am sure that lady was pro military until she lost her son...I could very well see her point.....But he did join and there is always a good chance of deployment....I believe in our cause, God bless our troops, their families, and our President!!! I hope all of our troops come back safe and sound...soon.None, according to Michael Moore...no Americans (not in Gulf War I) not

Well, we are not there to find defense weopons (per-say), we are there to find WMD, slow down terroist cells that can disolve and reform anywhere at any time...I do not know who this Moore felow is..never heard of him....I do not believe much of what the news media says either....Even though you work side by side with people that design soft ware for missles....The men that know the real story are the ones one in the sand box looking, patrolling and living it 24-7...Let me ask you this....where would you rather fight this war? We are taking the fight to them....After 9-11, If you thought that Iraq and Afganistan had WMD and harbored terrist groups..could you sleep well at night? I do not lke war...but freedom is not free....there is a cost....


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Sneaky,  I stopped watching the news for that very reason....it was all bad news, and often a half truth...you're right, it's hard to know who to believe
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Sneaky, I stopped watching the news for that very reason....it was all bad news, and often a half truth...you're right, it's hard to know who to believe
Yeah I know..not being harsh, but the news media makes me mad...It is a big confuseing mixed up world out there!!! LOL
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I just find the news sick and depressing. It scares me.
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Well, as you can see CJ, we all have that in common, no matter what part of the country we live in....

They did an experiment in which they gave 26 minutes of good news and 2 minutes of bad (the reverse of the usual), and they found viewership went down...

people are rubber-neckers...they want to watch the wreck...

sad but true

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I'm not shocked, some people are sick.
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i see no one answered CJ's ? on who is michael moore (lol)

but here is my 2 cents. after 911 almost 100% of the country was united but like anything else plus our choice of freedom of speech etc and as things come out the majority soon changed.

yes we found sadam and now he gets to play games with the new iraqi regim, we should had killed him first then wiggle out of it like so many other things the top government personnel does or can do.

but now the homeland security tels us about threats (it can happen anytime, anyplace) then sit there and say they are doing a great job since nothing happened.

are any of these east coast people getting really nervous with conventions in NYC and boston coming up? should we???

 

 

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i see no one answered CJ's ? on who is michael moore (lol)
Guess it isn't important.
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Well, the Pearl Harbor survivors gave us wise advice, "Allways keep a watchfull eye toward the sky"......We failed to do that one time...hopfully not again!!! I do not live in fear....but always alert....I guess some one will have to do a Google search on Moore to find out...I don't know....
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When I saw it I saw a selective docu-drama, not documentary. One persons opinion.

Now, we can bash this back and forth forever, but it is in fact, selective fact.

 I am posting a link to the job of a member here, this job has no selections, it is all cold hard fact. I for one, am proud I know her.........

http://www.osflifeflight.net/gallery.htm

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I wonder what would have happened in WW2 if today’s media bias standards were applied. Obviously, D-Day would have been termed a ‘disaster’ and I’m sure Geraldo would have whined about no being imbedded on Omaha beach. Brokaw and Jennings would have asked Ike for some sort of timetable, complained about troops not moving inland ‘fast enough’, accuse Ike of ‘not providing all the information‘, and questioning his call on troop strengths.

Speaking of Omaha and National Guardsmen, I read in a D-Day book that 43% of the first day’s casualties were Guardsman. So much for ‘getting out’ of duty.

Let’s not forget the Ardennes Offensive. The term ‘quagmire’ would have been applied incessantly by Dan Rather. Could it be that Dan Rather telling General Mcauliffe that ‘Patton would never make it’ was the basis for the General’s famous exclamation of "Aw, nuts!", which was his official reply to the request for surrender?

I have not spent one cent on Hollywood in 12 years, and would not for this excuse of a movie.

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Exactly Ice- selective fact spinning is what Slobmoore specializes in.  He, and his ilk take facts and events and statements out of context; fold, spindle and mutilate them until they have a result that they can spin to suit their purposes. To make matters worse, he uses his medium to put out this stuff and it only makes his party and supports look worse.  He hopes we fail in our endeavors to bring peace and freedom to Iraq.  How silly is that? Hezbollah has no spoken out in support of him...Does that make sense to anyone of any intellect or awareness? Hmmm.  Let's see, terrorist organization speaks out in support of a film maker that is damaging the morale of his nation, it's fighting men and women, and world opinion.  That must be mean he is supported by terrorists, so that means he's in cahoots with 'em.  You were right, Doggness. His buddies oughtta be screaming "INCOMING!!!". It's about time.
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Thanks, Ice!  Here is my favorite link near and dear to me (3 generartions on both sides of the famly):

http://www.aggienetwork.com/troopsupport/disptroops.aspx

I hope this link posts correctly.  Now ya'll know what "Godspeed and gig'em" means when I post it.

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Hurray for the Life Flighters! Now there's a group of people we all should be able to be proud of. And the lady flight nurses look so sexy and professional in those flightsuits! Yum Yum  I'd definitely come to their aid if their car wouldn't start, and I wouldn't even look at their feet! Just help them out.  LOL
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Hurray for the Life Flighters! Now there's a group of people we all should be able to be proud of. And the lady flight nurses look so sexy and professional in those flightsuits! Yum Yum I'd definitely come to their aid if their car wouldn't start, and I wouldn't even look at their feet! Just help them out. LOL

Unfortunately, we will soon loose our life flighter to a military recall, for medivac use in Iraq.

God speed my friend

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Exactly Ice- selective fact spinning is what Slobmoore specializes in. He, and his ilk take facts and events and statements out of context; fold, spindle and mutilate them until they have a result that they can spin to suit their purposes.To make matters worse, he uses his medium to put out this stuff and it only makes his party and supports look worse. He hopes we fail in our endeavors to bring peace and freedom to Iraq. How silly is that? Hezbollah has no spoken out in support of him...Does that make sense to anyone of any intellect or awareness? Hmmm. Let's see, terrorist organization speaks out in support of a film maker that is damaging the morale of his nation, it's fighting men and women, and world opinion. That must be mean he is supported by terrorists, so that means he's in cahoots with 'em. You were right, Doggness. His

World opinion of the Bush administration had changed long before this film came out.


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Sure world opinion of Bush dropped, he vowed to carry the fight to the terrorists and their abettors no matter where or when.  When the U.S. stands up to anyone it is unpopular.  Does anyone recall how severly Reagan's popularity tanked when he took on the Russians?  Nowlook back at that issue.  But it's still ironic that anytime a couple of nations go before the U.N. General Assembly requesting help (of a kickass or humanitarian nature) to deal with a problem, the U.S. is everyone's savior.  Hmmmm...  Who cares what the rest of the world thinks?  The educated members of Iraqi society rejoice in the fact that they are once again able to teach, practice law, practice medicine, and rebuild their society into something resembling civilization rather than the ridiculous dictatorship they have suffered under for decades.  Women not being allowed to obtain an education? What kind of crap is that?
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Sure world opinion of Bush dropped, he vowed to carry the fight to the terrorists and their abettors no matter where or when. When the U.S. stands up to anyone it is unpopular. Does anyone recall how severly Reagan's popularity tanked when he took on the Russians? Nowlook back at that issue. But it's still ironic that anytime a couple of nations go before the U.N. General Assembly requesting help (of a kickass or humanitarian nature) to deal with a problem, the U.S. is everyone's savior. Hmmmm... Who cares what the rest of the world thinks? The educated members of Iraqi society rejoice in the fact that they are once again able to teach, practice law, practice medicine, and rebuild their society into something resembling civilization rather than the ridiculous dictatorship they have suffered under for decades. Women not being

Just wondering how many Iraqi's you have verified are happier now?  Maybe the end result will be fine, but during WW II when the fighting was going on, though people hoped for freedom, they still were terrified when bombs were blowing up and loved ones were in jeopardy.  My father was 11 in a ravaged Holland during this time, and all he knew was he couldn't walk outside, go to school and had to beg for food.  Yes, 60 years later he looks back and understands, but at that time he, like many others was frightened & unsure of a certain future, and definiately not rejoicing.

My family all live abroad.  I for one Do CARE about world opinion.  We are not an isolationist continient.  That is part of why people look so poorly on Americans...due to the "who cares what they think attitude".

I think we are a long way away from seeing people rejoice.  Not to mention western idealism has never been embraced by mideastern society, hence why all surrounding nations despise Israel.

My opinion of Bush began to change before Michael Moore's film, and not because of Iraq, but his personal policies are a totally different discussion.

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Re:Review of Fahrenheit 9/11

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I am sure that the folks living in the nation of South Africa are glad to hear that the United States will be helping to liberate them, and fighting their oppression, and ending the chaos.

I am positive that the good folks of Latin America are looking foward to the United States bringing in our forces to stop the killings, the rape, the injustice.

Why stop there?  China has had the worst human rights record on the planet, so we should take care of that as well.

North Korea as well.

SAUDI ARABIA HAS JUST AS MANY PROBLEMS AS IRAQ, BUT THAT IS BUSH'S BUDDIES.

FACT: ?audi Arabia systematically violates international human rights standards even after agreeing to be bound by them. For example, in September 1997 Saudi Arabia acceded to the Convention against Torture. Yet, torture is widespread in Saudi Arabia's criminal justice system. (Saudi Arabia acceded to the Convention against Torture and the Convention against Discrimination on Sept 23, 1997).?Amnesty International, "Saudi Arabia: Open for Business," February 8, 2000

Oh, wait, that's right, we don't give a crap about them, that's right.  Instead we are worried about a country like Iraq, who before the war, never hamed any U.S. citizen.

We will just forget about our own problems (health care, education, unemployment) and kick ass in Iraq, a nice little distraction.

I pray for all of our servicemen and women in harms way, and I hope that they are returned home soon and safe.  That is what this is about.  Are we putting them in harms way for justice or for one administrations revenge?

I whish we send all of the troops to Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan first, and take care of the Taliban and the Osama, but that would conflict with the Bush family intrests.  CHECK THE FACTS

1.  In the mid-1990s, George H.W. Bush joined up with the Carlyle Group. ?nder the leadership of ex-officials like Baker and former Defense Secretary Frank C. Carlucci, Carlyle developed a specialty in buying defense companies and doubling or quadrupling their value. The ex-president not only became an investor in Carlyle, but a member of the company's Asia Advisory Board and a rainmaker who drummed up investors. Twelve rich Saudi families, including the Bin Ladens, were among them. In 2002, the Washington Post reported, ?audis close to Prince Sultan, the Saudi defense minister ... were encouraged to put money into Carlyle as a favor to the elder Bush.?Bush retired from the company last October, and Baker, who lobbied U.S. allies last month to forgive Iraq's debt, remains a Carlyle senior counselor. Kevin Phillips, ?he Barreling Bushes; Four Generations of the Dynasty Have Chased Profits Through Cozy Ties with Mideast Leaders, Spinning Webs of Conflicts of Interest,?Los Angeles Times, January 11, 2004.

2.  ?he 27 classified pages of a congressional report about Sept. 11 depict a Saudi government that not only provided significant money and aid to the suicide hijackers but also allowed potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to flow to Al Qaeda and other terrorist groups through suspect charities and other fronts, according to sources familiar with the document.  One U.S. official who has read the classified section said it describes ?ery direct, very specific links?between Saudi officials, two of the San Diego-based hijackers and other potential co-conspirators ?hat cannot be passed off as rogue, isolated or coincidental.? Of all the hijackers, 15 of the 19 were Saudi. Josh Meyer, ?eport Links Saudi Government to 9/11 Hijackers, Sources Say,?Los Angeles Times, August 2, 2003.

And lastly:

3.  ?/STRONG>In all, at least $1.46 billion had made its way from the Saudis to the House of Bush and its allied companies and institutions.?Craig Unger, House of Bush, House of Saud, p. 200, (Scribner: New York, 2004). For a complete breakdown of the investments, see Unger? Appendix C, pp. 295-298.

$1.4 BILLION?  Hmmm-where would your intrests lie.   If the Saudis paid me $1.4 Billion, and attacked our country, of course we would invade Iraq, now it makes more sense.  After all, I would have to be President for a thousand years to make that kind of money!

$1.4 BILLION-who's intrests do you think Bush puts first?

?It should be a deep cause for concern that a closely held company like Carlyle can simultaneously have directors and advisers that are doing business and making money and also advising the president of the United States,?says Peter Eisner, managing director of the Center for Public Integrity, a non-profit-making Washington think-tank. ?he problem comes when private business and public policy blend together. What hat is former president Bush wearing when he tells Crown Prince Abdullah not to worry about US policy in the Middle East? What hat does he use when he deals with South Korea, and causes policy changes there? Or when James Baker helps argue the presidential election in the younger Bush's favour? It's a kitchen-cabinet situation, and the informality involved is precisely a mark of Carlyle's success.? Oliver Burkeman Julian Borger, ?he Winners: The Ex-Presidents' Club,?The Guardian, October 31, 2001.

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President..................Willie Nelson

VP...........................Hank Williams Jr.

Sec. of Defense.........Toby Keith

Press secretary............John Lovitz

 

Yea that's the ticket.

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President..................Willie NelsonVP...........................Hank Williams Jr.Sec. of Defense.........Toby KeithPress secretary............John LovitzYea that's the ticket.
WOOOHOOOO!!!! I will vote for that too!!!!


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