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Date Posted:11/22/2003 9:57 PMCopy HTML

I'm sorry Crissy, but I have to take small issue with something you wrote on the web site. You wrote, "but it's our little nook and cranny of the porn world!"I don't consider pedal pumping in itself to be pornographic. This is something that I could very well see today at a grocery store, the mall, or anywhere else. It can be made into something pornographic, and that happens in some videos, but pedal pumping in itself is not pornographic.Your site certainly isn't pornographic. It's just giving people what they want in a tasteful way. Just because someone gets off on something doesn't make it porn. If that was the case, then there are a lot of shows on TV with very attractive women that would have to be pulled off the air.I think the question of is this porn is a very interesting one, and I'd like to know how others feel about it.
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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/23/2003 9:58 AMCopy HTML

I'm sorry, I didn't understand the question.  I change my vote to "No".  I thought if you were asking if this site was porn.
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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/23/2003 10:51 AMCopy HTML

PP isn't pornogrpahic unless you make it so like Neil has done a few times in the past. I'm not into porno anyway. I find it sickening and degrading on a personal level.
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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/23/2003 8:55 PMCopy HTML

unless you happen to see a naked women pumping her car, it isnot porn inmy opinion.
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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/23/2003 9:08 PMCopy HTML

For most of you guys, I would say it's erotic yes. But in this politically correct world we live in it's hard to tell where the line has been drawn. But just like beauty, it's in the eye of the beholder.

 I voted NO

 

 

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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/24/2003 5:40 AMCopy HTML

Pornography- Writings, photographs, movies, etc. intended to arouse sexual excitement, especially such materials considered as having little or no artistic merit.

Ok.  I can tell by the poll responses that we're pretty much agreed that pedal pumping in itself is not pornographic.  JL brought up a good point in his response, though.  What about the web site?

My opinion is that the web site is not, but the message board is.  When I think about the web site, the last part of that definition of pornography flashes like a neon sign.  The web site DOES, in its entirety, have artistic merit.  Pornography has a VERY negative connotation, and I think we should be careful what we call pornography.  To me, if all of something has "artistic merit", it is excluded from being considered pornography.

The message board, on the other hand, is raw, uncensored, and can include discussion of subjects that are definately graphic in nature.  Whereas the stories do have artistic merit, the message board as a whole does not.

What is "artistic merit"?  I'm NOT going there.  That is way too subjective, and I'm getting weary.

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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/24/2003 7:33 AMCopy HTML

Huh? I'm the only 'Yes' vote here thus far?

Pornography is defined as 'the depiction of erotic behavior intended to cause sexual excitement'. For our purposes, the key terms 'erotic behavior' and intention both very much apply.

This site is indeed 'pornographic', like it or not.
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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/24/2003 8:26 AMCopy HTML

I find this thread fascinating!  JL and I have often discussed: is this site somehow "morally" wrong.  I mean come on...we have a family that knows nothing about this other world of ours.  It's not like at Thanksgiving dinner we are going to bring up..."So, how did you like the latest update on our site".  We would, however, bring it up about our "real" life, without hesitation. So, that raises the question, is it porn?

  Obviously, viewing our site is a very private matter for most, and why is that?  What are they hoping to have accomplished by viewing it's contents....gratification of course, and gratification of a sexual nature.  For that reason, I am with badmike.  I think he is on the right track.  If it were just a Harry Potter site you were on, wouldn't you tell your girlfreind? wife? kids?

It is something different, and it does lean towards porn...though not in the classical sense.

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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/24/2003 9:30 AMCopy HTML

The site is porn by definition given by badmike, which happens to be the Websters definition.

It just is, we mean it to be more, we try to give our site as much artistic content (more on the way) as we do clips, and we try to make the clips artistic as well, if possible, but call a cat a cat, and that's us.

Don't ask yourself what you think we are, ask yourself what you want us to be and you will find your answer.

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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/26/2003 5:46 AMCopy HTML

Like mentioned, the definition of porn makes this site without a doubt, A PORN SITE!

Its society's depiction and the way it has been turned into a derogatory and negative outlook that makes us all shun at the word "pornography".  But in all honesty, who said it has to degrade?  Do women here or in this fetish get degraded or treated with little or no respect?  I guess the best way to put this, in "modern day" terms would be "soft porn", but porn nonetheless.

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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/26/2003 8:58 AMCopy HTML

I find it interesting that the Webster's definition of pornography differs from the legal definition.  The legal definition is as follows:

"Material is pornographic or obscene if the average person, applying contemporary community standards, would find that the work taken as a whole appeals to the prurient interest and if it depicts in a patently offensive way sexual conduct and if the work taken as a whole lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value."  Miller v. California, 413 U.S. 15.  Or as the late Supreme Court Justice Stewart once said "I don't know if I can define pornography, but I know it when I see it." 

Accordingly, from a legal definition standpoint I don't find this site pornographic.  But you all can draw your own opinions.  Because the definition is so vague, what one person, or community, finds pornographic, another person or community doesn't.  Anyone remember the Robert Mapplethorpe exhibit and how it got banned in Cincinnati several years ago?  Banned, hell, I think they wanted to jail the guy!  It didn't raise an eyebrow when it played in  NYC.

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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:11/26/2003 11:32 AMCopy HTML

Even more interesting is that this 'legal definition' is not a definition at all.

Consider this analogy- should one consider a site catering to foot fetishists 'pornography'? What if this particular site featured fully-clothed but barefooted 12-year-olds? Could this then be considered 'child pornography'? Though such material might appeal to the 'prurient interest' of some, the above would nontheless fail to meet the other standards cited in the ruling- the average person perception of contemporary community standards and a patently offensive depiction of sexual conduct.

Yet I say it would be.
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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:12/05/2003 11:54 PMCopy HTML

Consider further, a man films his wife while she's legitimately struggling to get her car started; she's using various wordy dirds and expressions and he finds it humorous.  Then, another guy shoots the same scene, but for sexual reasons.  Same scene, one is pornographic and one is not?  By the "definition" it would be so.  Legally, that would not be the case.

I doubt the argument that our little "interest" isn't a fetish, or isn't "porn" would hold water.  As Mike pointed out, it's definitely "depiction" intended to cause sexual interest. Still, the "legal" argument would indicate that it's a very subjective thing.  Ours is particularly vague.  For instance:

In any community in the country, no one at all would argue that a young woman, sitting in the Walmart parking lot trying to start her car would, under any normal circumstances, would be pornographic.  Still, that would cause quite a bit of interest in our crowd.

Alternatively, most would argue that the same woman, dressed in a tight leather outfit, beating a man with a whip, is beyond a shadow of a doubt, pornography.

So, both examples are probably fetishistic (is that a word?) and pornographic, especially in the context we're using here. But, ours is a much softer version IMO. 

If the average person had to list 10, 20, or even 30 acts/depictions or pornography, do you think they'd ever get to pedal pumping?  Same question for fetishes. 

This type of thread is simultaneously, lose-lose, and win-win.  No one's going to have the last word, and no one's going to be wrong.  Gotta love that.  Personally, I believe that anything two consenting adults do in privacy is all good. 

Happy holidays everyone .. drive .. ummm pump safely!! :-)

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Date Posted:12/06/2003 3:10 AMCopy HTML

We decided a while ago that we would not post any nudity on our site, so it does keep us rather safe from being called porn.  I believe that we can be called soft porn.

PG-13? Or is that too dramitic?

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Date Posted:12/06/2003 4:08 AMCopy HTML

Hey Ray, good to hear from you again.  Safe and happy holidays to you and everyone. 
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Date Posted:12/06/2003 6:47 AMCopy HTML

I have read with great interest this thread and agree with the win-win, lose-lose idea.  The question may not be whether this is a porn site by legal definitions, certainly car failure in and of itself is not pornographic.  Rather, it is in its intent. For the same reason that a woman vacuuming is a mundane, everyday task, I have no doubt that some people find it very erotic to watch a women swing her hips a little while she does a dance with the hoover (case in point, in the movie Chocolat, a man gets very aroused while watching his wife bent over cleaning the tub).  Is cleaning the tub pornographic? No, of course not!  But, could we tell by his face, his hunger, what he was thinking whilst watching his woman wiggle her tush over the tub? Of course!

Therefore, I feel it is in the intent behind why you are looking at this site that makes it something other than what the average person might see.  It is subject to interpertation

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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:12/12/2003 11:27 PMCopy HTML

I still have not heard one solid definition of porn. It seems to be as each person sees it.

I think this site falls under erotica and is closely tied to the bondage fetish. Both are harmless unless abused. But then we have to define abuse.  And so it goes. LOL

I have seen some great discussions on this subject and none reaching a final conclusion. All I can say is..I like it and as ol Waylon said " I might have been crazy but it kept me from going insane."

I was about 6 or so when I became facinated with pedal pumping and didn't know why.

Im now 61 and not a damn thing has changed.

CaptMike

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Re:Poll: Point of Order

Date Posted:04/19/2004 4:02 AMCopy HTML

Reply to : crissycrankscars

I'm sorry, I didn't understand the question. I change my vote to "No". I thought if you were asking if this site was porn.
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